I got this email from a college student wanting to do an essay about "Hate In Native Hip Hop."

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I am a 23 year old Dine' woman in college to become a Dine' Educator. I am earning my education to pass along our teachings as Natives and to help the youth carry on our traditions. I also enjoy Native Hip Hop and all forms of Native music. I attend shows and show my support for all Native performers. I have seen good and bad music but still show my support. I would like to write an essay on Native Hip Hop and how it affects our people. And your inputs would be very helpful in my research.

I have come across so much hate in many different Native Hip Hop websites and would like to hear your thoughts. Why do envious individuals take unecessary situations too far? Why do they enjoy bringing the shame among our Native People? What do they accomplish with HATE? For an example.... this entry I found.... This all to childish and pointless.....

Quoted from Da 4cer Krew Saturday, 4/23/05, 1:46 PM what up dog muttz & Red nation pussiez. phuk all yall talkin shit you cyber g'z. well see you when we meet up in the streets. ask clan connected, they know whats up. well put you muttz to sleep, we warriorz rydin on soldiers. where i'm coming from we shoot dogs for fun. phuk you red nation pussiez, we'll spray you again, and this tyme in the head not the legs you fake ass n8tives. i don't see no dubbs where i'm from, straight black and blue rags. so who else wants to get murdered physically or lyrically. we ain't no krew, we an army. ready 4 war with the whole native rap game if they want it. last year at gatherings, your homey was frontin down talkin 4cerz. we aint fake, well bring it to your door step. we the real warriorz not the red nation, so phuk where your from, who you with and who you be. much love to the other artists who aint runnin their mouth. fools don't want it believe that. 4cer Krews straight underground and in the streets, phuk a web-site we don't need none. see us in the flesh where ever we be. we always reppin believe that. phukin jozhez,if you don't wanna be wrecked and nuetored then shut the phuk up or i will force you. if you want war, come to my door step G-town 1501 west aztec Viro Circle. anybody got ballz step, 4cer Krew takin over, and we out. so h8taz can eat a fat dick, see ya'll at the gatherings.

Your thoughts and feelings about HATE in the Native Hip Hop Game?

Alisia - nizhoni_rose03@yahoo.com

I'd like to know which website that original post was on?

It’s all relative… most of current mainstream hip-hop is gangsta oriented. At the least, it has a “thuggish” or “street” element. Those emulating this behavior in an attempt to be “real” usually misplace a lot of energy and focus.

I remember growing up and no one on the rez knew nothing bout no gangsta shit. Everyone listened to heavy metal or country music. Then with the explosion of gangsta rap in the late 80’s / early 90’s and hip-hop in general, more and more people on the rez listened to rap music. Now when everyone was listening to heavy metal and country, that’s how they dressed. A lot of jeans and concert t-shirts or wranglers, boots, and a cowboy hat. Now that it’s hip-hop we see a more urban look with the baggy pants, fly sneakers, and a lil bling-bling to round ya off.

Hip-hop has confrontational roots with “battles” a constant and the “my styles better than yours!” mentality very prevalent. Some take this too far, and feel the need to “flex” at all times less someone might think they are not HARD.

Rez gangtas are a JOKE! Trying to “come up” in a cosmopolitan environment with millions of rats from all races killing, lying, stealing, and cheating one another is what generates a gangsta’s mentality for survival then dominance. Intimidating and other gangsta activity against your people, that our apart of your community & family, is plain ASININE!

Killing members of your own tribe doesn’t make you a warrior. It makes you a murderer of culture and self.

A warrior is the kid that goes to school, becomes a lawyer, and then helps their tribe with legal matters.

A warrior is the kid that goes to school, becomes a doctor, and then helps their tribe at the local medical center.

A warrior is your grandparent reminding you how important your culture and the traditions are….

One last note, hate in hip-hop is not unique to natives. It’s in most hip-hop circles. DJs, MCs, and competing crews have always had an antagonistic relationship with peers.
It’s a by-product of the hip-hop culture in general. The negativity of gangsta rap has always outshined the positive of conscious rap. Some say it’s the “powers that be” that continually promote this image as a way to keep minorities ignorant and unwilling to unify. STOP THE HATE!

One Love for all 1st Nations!!!!

-Peace
AZ Chief

silly silly silly... the thing with all these "keepin it real" talkers... they emulate whats going on right now in the rap game... NOT >>>HIP HOP>>>

there is this thing in MARKETING... NOT HIP HOP... that corporations do to make $$$$ they spend millions to have people watch the scene NOT THE MUSIC to see whats going on.

EMOTIONS trigger REACTION... that leads to RESPONSE...
2 TAKE ACTION...

SEX, LIES and PLENTY OF HYPE gets records sold...

DID Anyone see the whole 50 vs GAME situation... ha ha ha... did you notice it was between two figures with the same producer and label? hmmm, the hype got so big before the release dates of 50's album... ooooo! the massacre yeah it sold albums... just like the way WWE makes up big story lines to get people involved into the next Pay-Per-View

HYPE HYPE HYPE NOT HIP HOP!!! again NOT HIP HOP!!!

RAP needs another avenue to create sales NOT HIP HOP!!!!
Rap needs ignorant people to believe the HYPE NOT HIP HOP!!!
RAP needs another shocker to get kids to think its cool to "be down"
Rap needs something to cause a big reaction

SO now the people outside looking in are seeing this as cool KEEP IT REAL
so they emulate whats going on!... and when the sh@t hits the fan they'll turn there cheek and say hey its JUST MUSIC WERE NOT TO BLAME!

Remember sales are down... money's not flowing like when bad boy and death row days... speaking of... did you know bad boy only real big winners were with biggie, biggies second album and the p diddy thing for biggie... bad boy hasn't made anything else worth having...
hmmm LOON
naah how about B2K
nnaaah how bout Black Rob...
nope how about SHINE aah no oh speaking of did u see the big hype behind that last album of his... ooooo shine speaks his mine.... man what does he have to say... apparently nothing the album was a bomb and that was the last of that.

what about death row I remember when every man women and child in 94 was throwin up west side sayin there down with Death Row ooh i mean Tha Row
when was the last big banga out of that place....... kinda quiet....

All I can say is look at boxing... MIKE TYSON mr big hype... im the greatest... ill f@ck u like a prison bitch so much hype nothing to show for it...

public enemy said it once don't believe the hype
that all it is... if you got skills as MC show it... get some dope beats say your name up high make us proud... no bodys going to sign you to a contract because you got a grudge to those that are making it happen...

and if your really that good of an MC take it up with SUPERNATURAL

eniphul.com

Quoted from othellobloke I'd like to know which website that original post was on?

http://www.supremenative.homestead.com/INTROSNE.html and http://www.house12records.com

Quoted from blest (Guest) silly silly silly... the thing with all these "keepin it real" talkers... they emulate whats going on right now in the rap game... NOT >>>HIP HOP>>> there is this thing in MARKETING... NOT HIP HOP... that corporations do to make $$$$ they spend millions to have people watch the scene NOT THE MUSIC to see whats going on. EMOTIONS trigger REACTION... that leads to RESPONSE... 2 TAKE ACTION... SEX, LIES and PLENTY OF HYPE gets records sold... DID Anyone see the whole 50 vs GAME situation... ha ha ha... did you notice it was between two figures with the same producer and label? hmmm, the hype got so big before the release dates of 50's album... ooooo! the massacre yeah it sold albums... just like the way WWE makes up big story lines to get people involved into the next Pay-Per-View HYPE HYPE HYPE NOT HIP HOP!!! again NOT HIP HOP!!! RAP needs another avenue to create sales NOT HIP HOP!!!! Rap needs ignorant people to believe the HYPE NOT HIP HOP!!! RAP needs another shocker to get kids to think its cool to "be down" Rap needs something to cause a big reaction SO now the people outside looking in are seeing this as cool KEEP IT REAL so they emulate whats going on!... and when the sh@t hits the fan they'll turn there cheek and say hey its JUST MUSIC WERE NOT TO BLAME! Remember sales are down... money's not flowing like when bad boy and death row days... speaking of... did you know bad boy only real big winners were with biggie, biggies second album and the p diddy thing for biggie... bad boy hasn't made anything else worth having... hmmm LOON naah how about B2K nnaaah how bout Black Rob... nope how about SHINE aah no oh speaking of did u see the big hype behind that last album of his... ooooo shine speaks his mine.... man what does he have to say... apparently nothing the album was a bomb and that was the last of that. what about death row I remember when every man women and child in 94 was throwin up west side sayin there down with Death Row ooh i mean Tha Row when was the last big banga out of that place....... kinda quiet.... All I can say is look at boxing... MIKE TYSON mr big hype... im the greatest... ill f@ck u like a prison bitch so much hype nothing to show for it... public enemy said it once don't believe the hype that all it is... if you got skills as MC show it... get some dope beats say your name up high make us proud... no bodys going to sign you to a contract because you got a grudge to those that are making it happen...

^^^^^^^^That's some REAL TALK right theeeerrrrre^^^^^^^^^^

U know those fools posted it over at http://www.rezhogs.com guestbook too hahahaha

I seen this in the Dogsoldier Guestbook as well. I do not know what it is they are trying to prove or who they are trying to get to. They are asking for the fame and notoriety in all the wrong places and in the wrong way. Come one now, why challenge everyone in Native HipHop? They are out there talking down on artist who have a fan base, who have albums out, who have made a name for themselves and I bet no one knows who they are. I have never heard of the Forcer Crew and I could care less what they are about. They sound like wannabe gangsta's carrying blue rags and guns trying to start some beef with Native HipHop. Sounds like they watched Akon's video a little too much.  ::)

I been checking out alot of native rap websites and these guys are all over the place saying the same thing. If they want publicity so bad why are they bringing so much negativity to Native people in general as well as themselves. I mean its a perfect way to get a buzz of publicity because look at what we're replying to but there just putting targets on there backs and asking for someone to shoot yah know.

I 've been checking out so much native sites its incredible to see how much we as Native Americans are evolving into so much careers. It makes it better because I always glance at there questbook signing and I see other native artists showing love to another and respecting each other because.....they are on the same boat yah know......Trying to be heard and giving hands to one another which should be what Native People are about. Now to see stuff like this is obnoxiuos and ignorant.

These guys gotta realize that there not the only gang in the Nation that lives in the Rez There's so much gangs and violence our land its anarchy. Some other person is probably reading ther words and saying "These guys think there tough well lets see about that" then what happens. I've been to so many funerals and alot deal with drugs gangs and drinking its unimaginable and what makes it worse is that alot are about the age of 15-18.  

I think I've said enough for now but I got alot on my mind and so little time so I gotta go but your gonna hear morefrom me later

Until then Increase the Peace

Talk about ignorant people, he went signed our guestbook too with all that b.s. All I said is we ARE real MC's, go ahead and bring your best rapper, your notebooks, your click, and we'll shit on him, put him down and watch you walk off with your tail between your legs. All this hateration has to stop, just because someone is doin big things and representing the REAL, doesn't mean you have to say like that. Come on yo dont be a hater! Be a congratulator! I'm out, The Blackout Boyz 2005

This message was also on our site http://www.nightshield.net but we have since deleted it, I dont know what its all about but I feel its just some beef between 4cer crew and supreme natives or somethin, but to post this on every native rappers website is rediculous, I agree with what everyone here is sayin, Ive been on the battle circuit for many years, and theres always those type of peeps that if they lose a battle they still feel they have to win in some way or another, therefore violence is brought into the game, but its a common thing now days in hip-hop battles because alot of people cant handle ridicule in front of alot of people like in a battle.  But we dont even know who 4cer crew is! So for them to be talkin shit about somebody else on our website was kinda weird.
Toksa

Okay everyone, I'm sorry, but this message is supposed to help a gul out who's doing a paper.  She's the one that posted up the 4cer crew stuff to me.  I don't know where it originated, but since posting it here, someone took the initiative to copy it and post it all over.  Read the message, and her email is towards the bottom of the first message.

This game is fulla fakes, snakes, and perpretrataz...The people that run these events are hataz, the people that review our music are hataz, and the only cats that have any stroke in native rap are monopolizing it and gaining from it, while shuttin' doors on true talented cats with the type of music that reaches the masses...The decc is stacced against us and the only people that can make us is us. I'm not talkin' bout "Litefoot" and other artists that have enjoyed some success in this. Cuzz if you believe cats like him will pull you in and allow you to dull their shine, you're smokin'. I'm talkin' about every urban music buying native on every rez supporting their favorite artists and cats comin together and makin their own moves. Throwin' their own shows, and grindin' these streets like they movin' roccz. We have to make noise, storm stages, take mics and act a mutha fuccin' fool. Promotional stunts are what makes noise and creates a buzz...When they see us organized and comin' in numbers they have no choice but recognize. The native urban music buyin population is like 1.8 million. We need cats that recognize this as a business and have the education to advance in this. You sell a quarter of that and you get noticed. Believe that.

Quoted from azchief It’s all relative… most of current mainstream hip-hop is gangsta oriented. At the least, it has a “thuggish” or “street” element. Those emulating this behavior in an attempt to be “real” usually misplace a lot of energy and focus. I remember growing up and no one on the rez knew nothing bout no gangsta shit. Everyone listened to heavy metal or country music. Then with the explosion of gangsta rap in the late 80’s / early 90’s and hip-hop in general, more and more people on the rez listened to rap music. Now when everyone was listening to heavy metal and country, that’s how they dressed. A lot of jeans and concert t-shirts or wranglers, boots, and a cowboy hat. Now that it’s hip-hop we see a more urban look with the baggy pants, fly sneakers, and a lil bling-bling to round ya off. Hip-hop has confrontational roots with “battles” a constant and the “my styles better than yours!” mentality very prevalent. Some take this too far, and feel the need to “flex” at all times less someone might think they are not HARD. Rez gangtas are a JOKE! Trying to “come up” in a cosmopolitan environment with millions of rats from all races killing, lying, stealing, and cheating one another is what generates a gangsta’s mentality for survival then dominance. Intimidating and other gangsta activity against your people, that our apart of your community & family, is plain ASININE! Killing members of your own tribe doesn’t make you a warrior. It makes you a murderer of culture and self. A warrior is the kid that goes to school, becomes a lawyer, and then helps their tribe with legal matters. A warrior is the kid that goes to school, becomes a doctor, and then helps their tribe at the local medical center. A warrior is your grandparent reminding you how important your culture and the traditions are…. One last note, hate in hip-hop is not unique to natives. It’s in most hip-hop circles. DJs, MCs, and competing crews have always had an antagonistic relationship with peers. It’s a by-product of the hip-hop culture in general. The negativity of gangsta rap has always outshined the positive of conscious rap. Some say it’s the “powers that be” that continually promote this image as a way to keep minorities ignorant and unwilling to unify. STOP THE HATE! One Love for all 1st Nations!!!! -Peace AZ Chief

That's some of the realest shit ever!! Much props...

Whut up NHH,

That post was one our site, I'm surprised it was on other sites as well.  Apparently this dude came on our msgboard and dropped this little piece of fire, but I think he mistook us for someone else, which makes it even funnier...

See, he's goin on talkin bout gatherings and how we were talkin down his crew.  Before this post, we never heard of 4cer or whatever they called. lol  So, i think its a case of shooting one's mouth off in the wrong direction...

But to address the issue, yes there is hate in native hip-hop.  Why?  Because the people I've dealt with are haters and want to bring you down if you're making it.  Or doing your best to.  Take us for example.  Red Power Squad (which is made up of one rapper) hates us to death...They made a diss record about us, we replied, but it never escalated.

Its a diiference of opinion. and yes I agree hate is a by-product of hip-hop.  Some people hold different values in higher regard than others.  Some value money, status (or claimed status), and materialism in higher regard than truth, honesty, humilty, and culture.  We stay true to the latter.

What can I say, I played my part in the RPS vs RN beef, but I only spoke what I believe to be the truth.  Course, the same can't be said for the initial attack by RPS on us, they attacked not only me and my crew, but also crossed the line and brought my family into it.  Thats where it stops being a game and could potentially turn into something else, something more dangerous.

But did I retaliate further?  No.  I refused to let myself be brought down to any haters level, no matter who it is.  I have a family to think about, and there are cats out there that are crazy enough to take somethings literally and take action against you.  I decided to move on, cuz I said my piece, maybe it was good, maybe it was bad.  I know for sure that I regret responding because it taught me a hard lesson that you shouldn't let negative people get to you, because it'll reflect on you too.

Even though I squashed it, I haven't gone so far as to let RPS know that.  Only because I ain't the one who started it, and some things may be left better unsaid.  We appear at the same events from time to time, and we're cool with the bboys and all, but RPS leader Conway Kootenay and I have nothing to say to each other.  We just allow each other space to do our own thing, for our own reasons whatever they may be.  And that in itself might be the best resolution to our conflict.  Either way, I've moved on.

Hate is a powerful word on its own.  It can be dangerous even deadly when put into action.  All I know is I'm not going to risk my safety or my family's by getting into an all-out war with someone who doesn't give two shits about me.  I'm making music, and I'm providing for my family.  Thats all I gotta do, all I gotta worry about.

As far as hate in our music, I've had time to really take a hard look at what I want my legacy to be.  What do I want my kids to hear when they're older?  I've re-evaluated what I want to say from now on.  Positive is what I do best, so I'm sticking to that.  Or at least try to as best I could.  I might slip up from time to time and reply to someone's hate, but I'll tell you one thing...I'm only human.  

My music is just music.  There are bigger, more important things in this life to worry about.

;Dpeace ;D
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REDDNATION
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